I... try not to post political statements in my journal because honestly, I hate reading them, myself. But I'm really bothered by a repeated attitude I've been seeing, all over the place. It's an attitude that crops up over and over and over in a variety of contexts, too: "What's good for me is clearly good for everybody."
And every time I see someone taking that approach to something, I want to bitchslap them for being a complete idiot.
This time, what triggered that instinct in me was a discussion about vegetarianism vs. eating meat.
The article in question was on CNN, about researchers working on a method of creating lab-grown meat as an alternative to conventional farming. People were weighing in for and against, with the usual range of "OMG this is the bestest idea evar!" to "Frankenfoods, quit playing God!" etc. Among the comments was this fun little gem:
Humans don't need meat; ask any vegetarian or vegan who thrives without the stuff.
I take
extreme issue with that blatantly ignorant generalization; I know people who would die in under a month on a vegetarian diet.
My father is one of them. One day, I may well be one of them.
My father has celiac disease, and I'm actually planning on getting tested (once the semester is underway) for it myself. Over the decades, the damage that the undiagnosed condition did to my father's digestive system was
enormous. His body cannot process gluten, of course, but along the way it also destroyed his body's ability to process lactose, casein, and a wide range of compounds commonly found in plant matter. Some items, like mushrooms and tomato products, produce reactions violent enough to potentially kill him on the spot.
Ironically, he has no problem eating peanuts. And his blood-cholesterol level is obscenely low, especially when you take into account just how much meat and animal fat he's taking in.
His diet is highly restricted. Rice and potatoes are among the few plant items he can eat as much as he wants of. Peanuts, too, as long as he doesn't overdo it. Cherries are about the only fruit he can safely eat. Occasionally he can get away with a dried apricot or two. Every so often, if he takes a lot of enzyme pills (dudes, I'm talking
several dollars worth for a single meal), he can get away with an egg roll or something similarly "exotic."
Other than that, the only thing on the menu for him is meat. Even there, he has to be careful, since so many places try to "improve" the meat with various spices and marinades that are toxic to him.
Now make no mistake, my father loves animals. Polio quashed his dreams of becoming a veterinarian, and he's been doing wildlife rehab work since long before I was born. And when he was in his twenties, he
tried to go vegetarian. He ended up getting so sick from the attempt that he had to go back onto a meat-heavy diet, and in the process lost the ability to digest several fruits and vegetables faster than he otherwise might have.
You know that stereotype of the sickly vegetarian weakling? It comes about because my father, although an
extreme case, is not completely unique. There are a
lot of people who can
not thrive on a vegetarian diet. They may not produce enough of the right enzymes to efficiently digest vegetable matter, thus ending up malnourished. (And those enzyme-replacement pills are
expensive enough that if you need them that badly, it ain't worth it!) Or they may have mild allergies to several of the "most wholesome" foods in the vegetarian lexicon, leaving them feeling ill a lot of the time with no idea why (after all, those things are supposed to be
healthy, right?) Or their allergies, like my father's, might not be mild at all but genuinely violent and life-threatening. So while there are plenty of people who thrive very well on a vegetarian or vegan diet, there are enough who
don't to keep that stereotype around!
It's amazing what can endanger a person's health. The daughter of a woman I used to work for will probably die from eating one saltine cracker, if nobody has an epipen on hand. There are other people who can be killed by eating just
one of the peanuts my father can knock back in huge quantities, and other people still who will go into anaphylactic shock if they try a slice of lemon meringue pie. Ever had someone who was about to give you a flu shot ask you if you're allergic to eggs? And if you got strep throat, do you know whether or not it would be safe for your doctor to prescribe penicillin?
The human body is infinitely variable. While experts -- who've studied a hell of a lot longer than the vast majority of us opinionated blogger types -- can write general guidelines about how it will react in the
majority of cases, there will
always be someone who reacts in the precise opposite manner. Hell, one doctor jokingly told my father "we know everything about you except your genus and species" -- that's how surprising a lot of his reactions to things are.
I try not to make the mistake of generalizing my personal experiences, because I
know my body is defective. I've always known that my inability to digest a lot of commonplace foods, without pharmaceutical assistance, was abnormal. But I've always known that it was also
real. What shits me most of all are the people who refuse to believe that anybody else's experience, that doesn't dovetail with
theirs, is made up or "in their heads." People who die of violent allergic reactions were
not imagining them, thank you
very much.
So yes, there are a lot of people who
do thrive on a vegetarian or vegan diet. There are also people who would waste away and die on one. And many of us, who are stuck as "obligate carnivores," frankly wish that we didn't have to be. It's not a
moral failing that keeps us from doing that, and I'd appreciate it if certain people would get off their goddamned soapboxes and pedestals and acknowledge that possibility. I'm not you, you're not me, and there's a very real chance -- albeit probably a smallish one -- that something you thrive on could kill me... and vice versa.
We now return to our regularly-scheduled programming. Whatever that may be.
8/9/09 08:05 pm (UTC) -
spacelogic
8/9/09 09:58 pm (UTC) -
ardath_rekha
I remember when I was little, trying not to drink milk. Everybody was constantly plying me with it, and I was D: about it and couldn't get them to stop. Because of course they knew what was good for me a lot better than I did, y'know. To this day, even though I now have Lactaid and Ganeden to make it digestible, I still can't drink it. It tastes like sickness to me.
Yeah, when you cut out the dairy, eggs, and soy... you're pretty much down to meat for your protein. *hands over cards for the Obligate Carnivore Club*
8/9/09 08:48 pm (UTC) -
playswithknives
8/9/09 10:02 pm (UTC) -
ardath_rekha
I'm not sure, but I believe that restaurant lost the patronage of that particular corporation.
So chefs who care are awesomesauce.
8/10/09 07:16 am (UTC) -
playswithknives
8/9/09 09:13 pm (UTC) -
immortalje
On the other hand... humans are by default set to eat both meat and vegetables/fruit. I can't remember the correct term (so I can't translate it), but I did learn that in biology. We have both teeth similar to plant eating animals and to meat eating animals.
I didn't know that there were diseases that could make it next to impossible to eat a wide range of fruit/vegetables, but I wasn't surprised by it either. Especially since I remember one episode of a crime show (CSI would be my first bet, but I'm not entirely sure) where someone had an illness that meant she needed to eat a lot of liver because of something her body couldn't produce it (human livers being the best, which was why she killed them).
To sum this comment up... I never understood people on either end of the scale (vegans/vegetarian or people who if it were possible would eat only meat) who insist rather loudly that this is the only way it should be, because it's not. Everybody has their own preferences - both through taste and health issues. And then there are people who don't care to understand and bash one/the other side.
Although, I think having no choice in the matter because of the disease is a hard life because there must be so many temptations that might just end up killing you.
8/9/09 10:14 pm (UTC) -
ardath_rekha
And yes, we are omnivorous at our cores, designed to eat both plants and animals. There are people on either extreme, of course, whose bodies simply can't handle one or the other, but most people fall somewhere in the middle. I just wish more people got that there's a whole spectrum there, and no way of knowing where anybody else falls on it.
8/9/09 09:48 pm (UTC) -
nicolina_nomi
School medicine still teach that we should eat like 60 % carbs, 20 % proteins and 20 % fat, it changes a little, but something like that, and now those 'facts' seem to change on a daily basis. I find that it's just too difficult to try to think about what would be the best for a healthy life, so I've stopped. I eat everything that my taste buds approve of. (And that I'm not allergic to... like Shellfish...)
A friend once said: if it's wrong to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat? :D
Nic.
8/9/09 10:26 pm (UTC) -
ardath_rekha
I think part of the problem is that most people are trying to find a Single Answer to everything.
42!They ignore the fact that there is no one right answer, and that a lot of things are highly circumstantial. So every time a new thing is proved to be beneficial under some conditions, there are a whole lot of people who attempt to use it as a broad-spectrum panacea... until they discover that it can be harmful in other conditions. And then, instead of trying to cut back, or limit how they use it, they try to outlaw it altogether, as though things can't be both beneficial and harmful. It happens like clockwork; we currently have several former "wonder drugs" that are about to be pulled off the shelves completely because they can be harmful if used incorrectly.What I wish they'd do is publish a range, rather than hard-and-fast numbers. As in, generally your normal human being should eat a diet consisting of between X and Y calories, with between A and B percent derived from plant matter and between C and D percent derived from animal protein sources... with the acknowledgment that there are lots of exceptions and that these guidelines should be chucked if a particular person is clearly thriving on a different diet. But... that requires people actually thinking and calculating, and we can't have that. XD
8/10/09 07:32 am (UTC) -
shadowvalkyrie
42!They ignore the fact that there is no one right answer, and that a lot of things are highly circumstantial. So every time a new thing is proved to be beneficial under some conditions, there are a whole lot of people who attempt to use it as a broad-spectrum panacea... until they discover that it can be harmful in other conditions. And then, instead of trying to cut back, or limit how they use it, they try to outlaw it altogether, as though things can't be both beneficial and harmful.WORD on that! And not only with food, but with everything. Take all those intelligent kids that are only bad in school because their learning type is different from the mainstream.
8/10/09 08:44 am (UTC) -
nicolina_nomi
Yep, the Inuit diet, however fascinating, sounds utterly might-as-well-lie-down-and-die boring.
The range thing is probably sound. It's just that most people alrady know what'd be healthy enough for them, and still they eat fast-food, chips, sweets, and weigh 300 pounds... so I don't know. In my country the authorities have a severe habit of sticking their noses in what an American would consider to be solely their own business, including what we eat, if we smoke, how many hours a day to leave our kids to day care and so on... And yet our population grow heavier every year, especially the young. People live how they wanna live, they should stop judging how other live their lives, though. :)
8/10/09 05:25 am (UTC) -
blue_siofra
8/10/09 07:25 am (UTC) -
shadowvalkyrie
I'm also one of the people who reject the common "fruit and vegetables are good for you -- always" health myth. Not because I'm allergic, but because I dislike them intensely and have all my life. If I went vegetarian (I tried, one time, because my stepdad home-butchered, and I had some issues with that as a kid), my diet would contain solely of patatoes, bread and rice, plus dairy products, fish, and eggs. A meal just doesn't seem a "proper" meal without animal protein, and meat is the best there is. Give me a plate full of steak and nothing else, I'll be happy.
In the half year I've lived on my own now, and cooked for myself, I've gone almost entirely without vegetables (except when visiting family, or eating out), only eaten the occasional mushrooms or peppers with my meat and forced down an apple every so often (which I've also quit now, because I don't really think it's necessary), and behold, I feel better than ever before! My metabolism thrives, and without the token veggies I had to eat at home (because of my little brothers), my digestion even improved. And the funny thing is, while I've lived really unhealthily since I was old enough to choose what I ate, I've also always been the healthiest person in my family. (Except that I was really sickly as a small child -- no surprise, with all the kiddie meals heavy on vegetables and the grandma I mostly lived with a strict vegetarian.)
*shrugs* I guess I'm just a carnivore.
8/10/09 05:02 pm (UTC) -
nihilobstat
What lies at the root of so many of these problems, though, is industrialization. Wheat today is nothing close to resembling what nature created.
8/10/09 05:05 pm (UTC) -
nihilobstat
8/13/09 12:48 pm (UTC) -
xavienne